tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post4424535938250444124..comments2023-10-20T08:27:40.314-04:00Comments on male pattern boldness: Inspecting the Thomas Pink shirtPeter Lappinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-68193526919033224122012-10-11T21:26:40.018-04:002012-10-11T21:26:40.018-04:00Ncm1970,
Well here are two examples i can think o...Ncm1970,<br /><br />Well here are two examples i can think of <br /><br />http://www.ahume.co.uk/Grosvenor-Shirt-Company/Shirts-ON-SALE/c-1-124-132/<br /><br />http://www.classicwardrobe.co.uk/Light-Blue-Bengal-p_791.aspx?query=Categories/Products/Categories/Shirts<br /><br />Where are you based and I could mail you a more comprehensive list? You can buy at the factory or keep an eye on the London sales in particular.<br /><br />Let me know if that helps.Bonaparte O Coonassahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332350636689941604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-43994090684241848672012-10-11T21:19:52.237-04:002012-10-11T21:19:52.237-04:00Bonaparte, where can you get a RTW shirt from Ital...Bonaparte, where can you get a RTW shirt from Italian cotton made in the UK/Ireland for £50.00?<br /><br />I would love to buy some rather than made in China shirts from M&S or Lewins... ncm1970https://www.blogger.com/profile/05159575449670004015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-40056966097541334602012-09-15T08:56:17.797-04:002012-09-15T08:56:17.797-04:00Great comment, Bonaparte. Thanks!Great comment, Bonaparte. Thanks!Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-43367196111024025232012-09-14T20:11:25.164-04:002012-09-14T20:11:25.164-04:00Just in relation to the above comments on A) Irela...Just in relation to the above comments on A) Ireland B) Branding C) Bespoke.<br /><br />A) Textile trade in Ireland<br /><br />I'm from Ireland myself and ten years ago 40,000 people in this country were employed in the textile industry here. Now it is 4,000. <br /><br />Most of the RTW for the big names on Jermyn St., etc such as Coles, WH Taylor Tyrwhitt, Pink etc were made in Northern Ireland by Glenaden and labelled as made in UK or made in Ireland as both labels are appropriate. The workers were paid minimum or above and there were no foreign workers from Turkey or anywhere else imported, and if they were they would have to be paid the local rate anyway. <br /><br />There are still some weavers and factories that make the made-to-measure and high-end ready-to-wear for the English names. And you can get a RTW shirt from Italian cotton made in the UK/Ireland at Union wages for £50 or less even. I know as I've bought them.<br /><br />B) Branding<br /><br />With the lowering of tariffs on clothing in the EU in c.2002 brands started as they say to 'leverage' their product. And this means cutting all value out of a product without lowering the price. I am certain that Pink shirts are the same price now despite being made by workers in the third world. <br /><br />This is not to say that everything locally made is the best, but when you compare it to brands that maintain high prices and cut local production to make super-normal profits then it certainly is better in my view to support the local. <br /><br /><br />C) Bespoke & co.<br /><br />Some commenters above remark that you can supposedly get a decent shirt for $40 even bespoke for the price. $40 might just buy you an Italian or European two-fold cloth. Thats it. <br /><br />As you can see there is a huge amount of smoke and mirrors in the clothing trade (as in any other). The influence of branding on the public imagination and the rise of 'fast fashion' is an extremely destructive trend that has destroyed a lot of manufacturing in the EU.<br /><br />One of the saddest facts is that it is quite economical to make and sell locally made clothing provide you're not brand obsessed. <br /><br />Its the same story in the US, Roundhouse in Shawnee Oklahoma make dungarees/overalls for $40 a pop and everybody gets paid. Levi/Wrangler sell them for anything between $40-100 or even $200 through the power of marketing and rentseeking on the production chain. Bonaparte O Coonassahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332350636689941604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-85411235077569378802012-07-12T18:37:34.185-04:002012-07-12T18:37:34.185-04:00The Pink shirt doesn't fit. I have many custom...The Pink shirt doesn't fit. I have many custom make shirts that are beautiful. They just weren't custom made for me. The shirts were found in thrift stores and many were not my size. I altered them to fit.Alex in Californiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096904792274897292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-31942988054260102362012-03-03T07:30:12.281-05:002012-03-03T07:30:12.281-05:00Interesting, Pete!Interesting, Pete!Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-57481271626362682862012-03-03T05:08:04.546-05:002012-03-03T05:08:04.546-05:00As an Englishman living in London for fifty five y...As an Englishman living in London for fifty five years all my shirts have come from jermyn street<br />and for me Charles Tyrwhitt for its range and quality are unbeatable the superfine 170 is outstanding value the online service is the best ever and for ironing a dodle even for me a man!!petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-11320524541609000802011-01-26T16:56:51.665-05:002011-01-26T16:56:51.665-05:00It's so funny you should say that because I di...It's so funny you should say that because I did that last week and their shirts (I tried a Small) didn't fit me. Shoulders too wide and armholes too low. I did notice that the shirt was quite fitted however -- good point!Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-18585943008565599012011-01-26T16:36:46.476-05:002011-01-26T16:36:46.476-05:00The GAP dress shirt in the above comparison looks ...The GAP dress shirt in the above comparison looks really dated. <br /><br />I highly recommend you purchase a new dress shirt from the GAP. <br /><br />I purchased one last night. The fit of their men's dress shirts have changed drastically. They're more fitted than they've ever been.Mr. Fantasticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-7223651117469171202011-01-20T12:39:34.188-05:002011-01-20T12:39:34.188-05:00THANK YOU, Fifa! That's the information we we...THANK YOU, Fifa! That's the information we were seeking.Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-61464963701799174092011-01-20T12:12:02.923-05:002011-01-20T12:12:02.923-05:00From what I can gather Thomas Pink shirts used to ...From what I can gather Thomas Pink shirts used to be produced in Derry and Armagh in Northern Ireland. But not since approx 2003<br /><br />http://new.breakingnews.ie/archives/2003/0204/business/new-jobs-blow-hits-northern-ireland-clothing-industry-87032.htmlFifahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255236451102797818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-38132473631515991422011-01-19T07:05:13.200-05:002011-01-19T07:05:13.200-05:00Jane, that's exactly what I was thinking about...Jane, that's exactly what I was thinking about that term.<br /><br />Duane, you're right. But it is interesting looking.Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-49741758277340930782011-01-19T06:14:05.542-05:002011-01-19T06:14:05.542-05:00Oy! this makes me so glad I live in Maine, where w...Oy! this makes me so glad I live in Maine, where we don't have to aspire to such trappings. The pieced back yoke gives me pause. In Coffin's book he actually suggests that this detail may in fact be a cost cutting measure. The manufacturer can cut it out of smaller scraps thereby saving on material costs. A luxurious touch? Perhaps not.Mainelydadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05718855427399616514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-76336414852998617602011-01-19T00:47:07.527-05:002011-01-19T00:47:07.527-05:00"Aspirational" - ugh! In marketing terms..."Aspirational" - ugh! In marketing terms, that's part of the brief, not what you actually say to the customers.<br />Thanks for the tour-des-chemises (that's probably wrong), very enlightening. <br />My husband is picking up on my obsession with clothing detail these days. He went to look at some decent brand suits on sale (some London brand I think but can't remember what) but came away really disappointed with the finish of them. He then went to the local tailor and ordered a custom-made silk-lined three-piece suit with two custom shirts for a very reasonable price. I'm so proud! (And so glad he didn't ask me if I could make them.)Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03255370960186659884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-48435243309589049412011-01-18T23:51:48.906-05:002011-01-18T23:51:48.906-05:00THis was a really great and informative post - tha...THis was a really great and informative post - thank you. The term aspirational turns me off but I do like that it was made in Ireland.saronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-18340504204611577542011-01-18T19:45:27.963-05:002011-01-18T19:45:27.963-05:00Peter, thank you for these detailed pictures. If ...Peter, thank you for these detailed pictures. If you have the opportunity, can you compare (or show pictures of) the buttonholes and plackets of the Pink shirt and the Gap shirt? I think that these details really help determine the shirt's quality.<br /><br />Thanks! <br /><br />Rose in SVRosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05782386414185682598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-79890984466528770342011-01-18T18:04:13.219-05:002011-01-18T18:04:13.219-05:00Peter - Please forgive me if this has been posted ...Peter - Please forgive me if this has been posted already, but have you ever visited the Ask Andy web site?<br /> http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/<br />It's wonderful.<br /><br />:o)Doris W. in TNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00510857815095094456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-72951513421267755992011-01-18T17:58:10.993-05:002011-01-18T17:58:10.993-05:00No, I wouldn't. However, if I ever manage to ...No, I wouldn't. However, if I ever manage to get my online store up and running, I will be catering to people who *would* spend that kind of money on a single shirt. IE--more money than sense. I know they say that expensive clothing is better than inexpensive, but having examined both, there really isn't much of a difference, is there?Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717835382469677601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-62217584967437435792011-01-18T17:03:29.454-05:002011-01-18T17:03:29.454-05:00Interesting. For what it's worth, LVMH purcha...Interesting. For what it's worth, LVMH purchased Pink in 1999. I wonder if the quality is the same today.Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-20401392733346962342011-01-18T17:01:07.116-05:002011-01-18T17:01:07.116-05:00I have three Thomas Pink women's shirts that ...I have three Thomas Pink women's shirts that I bought in London in 1995. I don't wear them a lot - mainly because my body shape demands that my tops are not tucked in, and Pink shirts need to be tucked in - but every time I wear them, I'm glad I forked out. The fabric on all three feels fabulous, and after 15 years, still looks fresh. The workmanship on my three is absolutely spot on, so they haven't fallen apart.Paolanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-80896061083327711452011-01-18T16:23:09.477-05:002011-01-18T16:23:09.477-05:00I agree with vintagegal - aspire to be your own br...I agree with vintagegal - aspire to be your own brand!Sandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04890008405738438915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-57713112491887896832011-01-18T15:31:17.055-05:002011-01-18T15:31:17.055-05:00I have a ladies Thomas Pink shirt (a gift). It is ...I have a ladies Thomas Pink shirt (a gift). It is at least 8 years old and still looks great. The fabric is beautiful. I'm not sure I've ever had anything GAP last that long or feel so good on. <br /><br />Now, I would not pay $185 for a shirt, but I definitely apply what I learned from this shirt to my fabric shopping: really great quality fabric is worth some extra money.Cliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05552253628640209694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-57600258794344896992011-01-18T15:25:42.703-05:002011-01-18T15:25:42.703-05:00Email me your address, Dan. It's yours.Email me your address, Dan. It's yours.Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-89549653233522832712011-01-18T14:47:09.110-05:002011-01-18T14:47:09.110-05:00It's just my size. I'd be happy to take it...It's just my size. I'd be happy to take it off your hands. ;)<br /><br />I have one Pink shirt in my closet that I bought years ago when I was a much bigger (and richer) man. Now it fits me like a sack, though the arms are the correct length.Dan Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732200663031410999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1991166428290808171.post-59598043148454027922011-01-18T12:24:55.737-05:002011-01-18T12:24:55.737-05:00Thomas Pink also does womenswear. I used to work ...Thomas Pink also does womenswear. I used to work in finance, and I even worked in finance in London for a year, so I used to be the Thomas Pink customer and have leftovers from those days. I have one TP shirt that is made from the most complicated plaid weave I have ever seen. I have spent hours looking at this weave (mostly when I'm wearing the shirt and am bored, so I just look at my arm). I have never seen this kind of plaid available as yardage, and I have been looking for at least 10 years. Was it worth what I paid for it? Yes, because the fabric is not widely available and I still wear it fairly often, even as I have gotten rid of almost all of my RTW clothing. I'm certain that I used to own shirts from the Gap, but I gave them to charity years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com